Monday, July 2, 2012

Pope turns on traditionalists... from near reconciliation to a return to exile in a matter of weeks

Today’s startling, and sickening, news of the appointment of Archbishop Gerhard Müller as Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith is just one more nail in the coffin of the hoped for inauguration of a new era of understanding between the Roman authorities of the novus ordo establishment and Catholic traditionalists. This marks a startling departure from an attempt on the part of Rome to understand better the traditionalist critique, and quite possibly sets aside any real reforms of the Catholic Church for, perhaps, years.

With the appointment of Müller, who is one of the harshest critics of the Society of St. Pius X in Europe, hopes for a reproachment and eventual recognition of the Society are practically dead. It is hard to believe that there could ever be an increase of understanding and good will between this man and the Society. It is not only due to Müller’s criticism of the Society in Germany (which is headed by one of the Society’s most moderate regional superiors, no less), but also because of Müller’s extremely liberal and Modernist theological opinions. This is a man who has quite openly denied the dogma of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, transubstantiation, the universal salvific nature of the Catholic Church, and is also an enthusiastic supporter of Liberation Theology.

Müller should be investigated by the CDF, not given control of it!

This fact will not be lost on the leaders of the Society in their upcoming general chapter, but more than this, Müller’s appointment ensconces a lock-step refusal to question any of the troublesome tenants contained in some documents of the Second Vatican Council. As a diehard ecumenist, who questions the universal salvific nature of the Catholic Church, only a naïve fool would expect any measure of openness to a criticism of post-conciliar ecumenism or religious freedom on the part of Müller.

The appointment of Archbishop Di Noia to Vice President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei gives no relief to traditionalists, either. Archbishop Di Noia characterizes traditionalists as a group of people with hurt feelings, as though we were children stomping our feet over the post-conciliar changes, immature infants incapable of understanding the wisdom of the liberal churchmen and Vatican II elites. This is a return to a characterization of former times, the characterization that shoved traditionalists and the Traditional Latin Mass into the margins of the Church’s life.

This question and answer from an interview of Archbishop Di Noia demonstrates well that the traditional critique is once again being pushed aside:

That being the case, why do you think some Catholics have decided to stick to “frozen” tradition, as it were, rather than coming into full communion?

I don’t honestly know; I can only speculate. To say why people are traditionalist I’d have to say it depends on their experiences. The [reform of the] liturgy has been a factor; it was a terrible revolution and shock for people. Many of these people feel abandoned, like the Church left them at the dock with the ship.


The question, itself, is stunning! It is incredible! How prideful and disdainful to characterize what the Catholic Church has taught and believed for centuries as “frozen” tradition! And how utterly unequipped is this man, Di Noia, to deal with traditionalists if he simply allows this comment to go by without correction! Instead of speculating, why doesn't he join us? Why doesn't he get know us? What a novel idea that someone given stewardship of traditional Catholics ought to know those for whom he has been given authority over! I'm impressed that he has read a few books. Good for him! But I'm sorry if his attitude and ignorance doesn't exactly instill any great measure of confidence from me due to his lack of... humanity?... yes, humanity.

We are stuck to “frozen” tradition?! We who are stuck to “frozen” tradition out-ordain and out-baptize, per capita, the novus ordo establishment year after year after year. We who are stuck to “frozen” tradition, with our growing communities of faith-filled, devote, and young Catholics, we who are "frozen" look out upon the bleak landscape of what is left of the rest of the Church and lament the obvious loss of faith, dwindling Mass attendance, divisions, heresies, dissentions, and disobedience. Quite to the contrary, the novus ordo establishment of Archbishops Di Noia and Müller, and Pope Benedict XVI, is that which is "frozen", stuck to the "frozen" Modernism of the 20th century, and the liberalism of the 1960s! After all, these are people who still insist that we take something like Gaudium et Spes seriously! Please!

And what are we to think of the “unfrozen”, elite Catholics like Archbishop Di Noia, his interviewer, and the likes of Archbishop Müller, communists who deny outright the dogmas of the faith?

I will tell you: Far better to be stuck on “frozen” tradition and truth, than to be unmoored among those like Müller and Di Noia whose obfuscations have fiddled away the faith for two generations of Catholics who are abandoning the Church in droves!

So what happened in just the course of a few weeks, from May to June? It seemed, but for a brief time, Tradition would be vindicated sooner rather than later. I’m not sure, but perhaps it was that a tiger simply doesn’t change his stripes. While I find the cliché a pessimistic denial of God’s grace, it does seem to pertain to those so obstinately in denial of the plain facts in front of them that they would rather see Rome burn than re-evaluate their ideology. Perhaps it would be better to wait until this tired old generation of misfit churchmen finally dies out altogether, and with them their fables.

In the meantime we continue as we traditional Catholics always have. We pray, we sacrifice, we strive for virtue, and we raise our children to do the same. We reject the world and it's god, Satan. We reject heresy, be it formal or material. We refuse to give an inch of our Catholic faith to the Modernist devils, be they in our parishes, in our schools, in our dioceses, or be they in Rome making their phylacteries broad and enlarging their fringes. And, oh yes! we will go right along ignoring the Second Vatican Council while we baptize, ordain and give countless religious vocations to Holy Mother Church!

Viva Cristo Rey!

Viva Tradición!

17 comments:

  1. Let us pray for our Sovereign Pontiff Benedict. The Lord preserve him, and give him life, and make him blessed upon the earth, and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies.

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  2. I too am sickened. It is most discouraging.

    I will try to rejoice that I married young and recently, just had my first child born (wasted no time!) and baptized in the Traditional Rite.

    Thanks be to Almighty God.

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  3. While he talks about being "frozen" in tradition what has really caught my eye is the Muslim women veiled 24/7 and dressed as in Jesus' time who are taking over Europe; meanwhile this spring in a Novus Ordo church there was a photo released of a man in a dress and wig reading from the pulpit.

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  4. Thank you for this - you expressed so well what I have been thinking Mr. Werling. This is a sorry day.

    Prayers always for Our Holy Father and our Holy Church!

    Barbara

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  5. *Sarcasm alert*
    I bet all those Anglicans and Lutherans, whom he thinks are saints, must have nice things to say about him! He can't be allllll bad... Ha!

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  6. If Pope Benedict starts First Saturday devotions at St Peter's, then I'll get excited about a renewal of the Catholic faith.

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  7. Well...Rome had their chance to be clean again and they just blew it. Too bad for them.

    As far as the pew critters in the land of apostasies, it is their job, not the pope's or the bishops' to seek God in all things, which is true Charity. That is on them alone. So I suggest they get crackin' and at the very least start attending the Holy Mass and receiving the Sacraments where they can find it. And that is just where to start if they want to be Catholic.

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  8. First, an admission that I know next to nothing about this controversy or the individuals involved, so I don't in any way presume to instruct others who are no doubt better informed how they should think about the matter as a whole.

    That said, I would like to comment on the quoted Q&A from the interview with Archbishop DiNoia that Mr. Werling reproduces, and which some commenters have referred to. In fact the Archbishop did not use the expression "frozen tradition." And his response to the question seems reasonably understanding of the motivations of traditionalists and of the difficulties they've had to endure. Indeed, he acknowledges without criticism the feelings of many that the Church abandoned them. Mr. Werling is correct to point out that The Archibishop didn't quickly correct the interviewer for the planted negative assumption in the phrase "frozen tradition," but then, the interviewer himself didn't exactly use that expression, either; he said "'frozen' tradition, as it were." In other words, "so-called," or "as some people say."

    It's a standard interviewing technique to get the interview subject to respond to comments or criticisms that others have made. Yes, too often it can be a way for the interviewer to cravenly sneak his prejudices into the discussion, particularly when it's "some people" who allegedly made the comment. But if that's the case here (which I'm not sure is the case), that's on the interviewer, not the Archbishop.

    This may seem like a lot of nitpicking and hairsplitting, but to me it seems that the discussion so far has placed an unfair construction on Archbishop DiNoia's comments. There may very well be other valid reasons to criticize him, but they haven't appeared in the thread so far.

    Sincere regards,

    Phil

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  9. Phil, the problem with his response is that he accepted the interviewer's premise without question.

    To illustrate my point, allow me to change the terms of the argument:

    Question: Why are traditionalists stupid, as it were?

    Answer: I don't honestly know; I can only speculate...

    It doesn't matter that what follows is erudite or reasonable; the problem remains that Archbishop Di Noia accepts without question that traditionalists are "stuck to 'frozen' tradition, as it were..."

    An acceptance of the interlocutor's miss-characterization of both Tradition and traditionalists is the starting point for Di Noia's answer, thus rendering everything he says thereafter suspect at best.

    The reason I picked out this particular question and answer above all the other extremely troublesome answers proffered by Di Noia is because this particular one demonstrates that all the prejudices that were there before the Rome/SSPX talks are still present and predominate among the Roman authorities.

    In my mind this renders the talks a complete failure. Understanding and good will have NOT been accomplished. We are exactly where we were in 1988. Nothing has changed.

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  10. Pray for the conversion of Russia.July 3, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    O joyous exile! It is only an exile from this bunch who continues to separate themselves from the Catholic Church founded by Christ, handed down in Truth by the Apostles and faithfully preserved by the Society of Saint Pius X.

    As long as Rome chooses to be faithless, as well as Faithless, may our alienation from their friendship continue. My physical health has improved greatly since I fled them years ago. The health of my soul can only be described as a resurrection from the dead.

    "Repulse the enemy even further and give Peace in his stead. May Thou so lead us that we evade all harm."

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  11. Against the prevailing tide, I'm inclined to conjecture (perhaps hopefully) that time will tell that the PECD is now more (not less) favorable to SSPX regularization with Muller and DiNoia in place, than it was with Msgr. Pozzo setting up roadblocks with Levada's acquiescence. If so, all this wailing and gnashing of teeth--toward which I at first leaned somewhat myself (if privately, while refraining publicly)--will prove to have been misdirected. Let it be so!

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  12. The Pope did not "turn" on us. He was never sympathetic to tradition in the first place. That was your wishful thinking, instead of a cold hard look at the facts and history of the man.

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  13. David,

    Your example goes quite a ways beyond the actual question to the archbishop (which I grant you, and which I noted in my original comment, was objectionable) in its degree of offensiveness, in my opinion. "Frozen" is, what? Disparaging, yes; condescending, yes. But oddly passive-aggressive for all that. "Stupid," on the other hand, is a smack in the face. And while the Archbishop clearly failed to counter the planted assumption in that question, I think you go to far to say that he actually accepted that assumption in any meaningful way.

    Again, I realize that some may think I'm being pedantic or nitpicking, or maybe even not having a clue. But what prompted my initial post was the sense that the discussion quickly moved to put the worst possible construction on the Archbishop's comments, using the troublesome remarks to completely dismiss everything else he said. I still think that for an archbishop to say "Many of these people feel abandoned, like the Church left them at the dock with the ship" is a pretty big concession. Without overstating its significance, I see it as providing at least a glimmer of hope for a sincere dialogue.

    Look, I'm not trying to win an argument here. I realize that the reasons for distrust on the part of traditionalists run very deep. But I do know that impressions from an outside observer can sometimes be helpful to those who are immersed in an issue or controversy, so I thought I'd offer mine in that spirit.

    Cheers.

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  14. WEDNESDAY, JULY 4, 2012
    CDF THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF VATICAN COUNCIL II - YOURS IS THE FALSE ONE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/cdf-there-are-two-intrpretations-of.html#links

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  15. I can't ignore the Second Vatican Council and all of its repercussions and followers in the Church hierarchy, all the way to the top. For this on-going convert it stands as a constant thorn in my side of doubt and insecurity about everything that I am trying to believe, a huge leaking scar in the chest where I try to keep my faith. I came to the Church by being utterly honest with myself, which demolished my entire world-view and lead me here, but it is this same honesty which forces me to be honest about this whole matter, and about my doubt.

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  16. Karl,
    I hold my Catholic Faith knowing that the doctrines of the past are the same as those now. The Magisterium according to the doctrines of the Church (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus) has not changed even though the ecclesiastical hierarchy today may be saying something different fromt the past.
    This is still Jesus' Church and it is the same Church which He founded.

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  17. Complete disaster. Even if Mueller was going to be head of the CDF, disastrous timing.

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